Discussion:
DOJ is correct that Apple iPhone is far less secure than Android when RCS messaging is involved
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Tamborino
2024-04-01 00:55:13 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.

Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/

So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.

This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its lawsuit:
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Your Name
2024-04-01 05:56:22 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\

A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)

B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
their developers, not Apple):

"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Charlie
2024-04-01 06:38:07 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
I think the DOJ's 88-page point of view is that Apple knows very well how
trivially easy it would be for Apple to give iOS & Android users privacy
when its own users are communicating between iOS & Android users via RCS.

The DOJ's point of view seems to be Apple expressly wants NOBODY to have
privacy (not even Apple users!) when they communicate between platforms.

Apple doesn't care that even its own users won't have that privacy.
All Apple cares about is screwing its own customers to make more money.
Frank Slootweg
2024-04-01 12:40:28 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
Exactly which part of "will" in "will not" didn't you understand?
Post by Your Name
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Exactly which part of "unlike in "unlike iMessaging" didn't you
understand?
badgolferman
2024-04-01 14:57:08 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to. If this is true then it looks like Apple is
being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."


"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."

"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
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sms
2024-04-01 17:59:56 UTC
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On 4/1/2024 7:57 AM, badgolferman wrote:

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Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
If they allowed encryption between iPhone users and Android users it
would eliminate a key advantage of an organization being 100% iPhone. My
wife's company is 100% iPhone, for multiple reasons (they could actually
use Android since they use Cortext for secure messaging since it's HIPAA
compliant, while iMessage is not HIPAA compliant) mainly for the remote
management (MDM) capability, and the inability for employees to install
any apps. So she carries two phones, her personal Android and her
corporate iPhone.
Frankie
2024-04-01 19:45:14 UTC
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Post by sms
Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
If they allowed encryption between iPhone users and Android users it
would eliminate a key advantage of an organization being 100% iPhone.
Apple execs are on record from the Epic deposition for never wanting the
iPhone messaging to interface well with Android, which is part of the DOJ
case since it's a matter of public record that Apple can't possibly deny.
Post by sms
My wife's company is 100% iPhone, for multiple reasons
I feel sorry for anyone stuck with having to create an account for Apple
just to use a phone that shouldn't need to create that tracking account.
Post by sms
(they could actually
use Android since they use Cortext for secure messaging since it's HIPAA
compliant, while iMessage is not HIPAA compliant) mainly for the remote
management (MDM) capability,
Does this HIPAA compliant "Cortext" app functionality run on iOS?
Post by sms
and the inability for employees to install any apps.
Most people who only know iPhones have no idea how limited they are, which
is kind of like kids up until about fifth grade still believe in the Easter
Bunny but after about fifth grade, even kids begin to see the limitations.
Post by sms
So she carries two phones, her personal Android and her
corporate iPhone.
My wife is also forced to use an iPhone but she can't stand it and cheats
as much as she can by using the Android phone whenever she needs to get
something done.
Your Name
2024-04-01 22:08:28 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking
about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...

"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."

Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely
on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's
attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in
today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for
Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google
simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid
Android OS.
<https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/>
Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
As above.
Wolf Greenblatt
2024-04-01 23:01:16 UTC
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Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Apple has no plans to fully support RCS end-to-end encryption.
That's what the DOJ suit is partially about.
Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...
Only the nut cases think Apple actually cares about them or their privacy.
Post by Your Name
"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."
Apple does not want anyone, not even their own customers, to have the
privacy of RCS end-to-end encryption between Apple and Android users.

As such, Apple has always been glaringly anti-consumer for the sake of
profit - always to the detriment of even their own customers' privacy.
Post by Your Name
Apple wants RCS to have a proper standard for encryption and not rely
on Google's version, which for any one who knows Google (or Microsoft's
attempts to cripple HTML) knows is obviously a good thing. Just in
today's news is that Google's Chrome browser still collects data for
Google even when in the supposedly private 'Incognito' mode - Google
simply cannot be trusted, which is yet another good reason to avoid
Android OS.
<https://www.wired.com/story/google-chrome-incognito-mode-data-deletion-settlement/>
Post by badgolferman
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
As above.
It's clear to the DOJ and to anyone who read the Epic deposition where
Apple had to openly admit the last thing Apple wants is anyone having any
privacy when messaging between the two platforms, iOS and Android.

Apple is so anti privacy that they don't even want their own customers to
have that end-to-end encryption privacy - which is proved in the DOJ case.
Alan
2024-04-01 23:39:58 UTC
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Post by Wolf Greenblatt
Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to.
More know-nothing bollocks from the US DOJ. Just read note A. above,
Apple is already planning to support RCS, in some form.
Apple has no plans to fully support RCS end-to-end encryption.
That's what the DOJ suit is partially about.
Well that's just false.
Post by Wolf Greenblatt
Post by Your Name
Post by badgolferman
If this is true then it looks like Apple is being the petulant child
stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
Wrong ...
Only the nut cases think Apple actually cares about them or their privacy.
Post by Your Name
"Apple stated it will not use any type of proprietary
end-to-end encryption – presumably referring to Google's
approach — but did say it would work to make end-to-end
encryption part of the RCS standard."
Apple does not want anyone, not even their own customers, to have the
privacy of RCS end-to-end encryption between Apple and Android users.
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Wolf Greenblatt
2024-04-02 04:05:22 UTC
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Post by Alan
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Read the reference a few thousand time and maybe you'll yet understand.
Alan
2024-04-02 16:02:18 UTC
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Post by Wolf Greenblatt
Post by Alan
You've literally just quoted them saying they would allow it.
Read the reference a few thousand time and maybe you'll yet understand.
Why don't you just explain why you think I don't?
Alan
2024-04-02 16:01:26 UTC
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Post by badgolferman
Post by Your Name
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and
Apple's update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-
16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/ So unlike
iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between Android
users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to,
Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to
Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which
would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone and
other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about. :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
"Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
This is the relevant part of the article. There will not be encryption
between Android and iOS users. The DOJ says Apple can make it happen
but are unwilling to. If this is true then it looks like Apple is
being the petulant child stamping their feet and saying "no, no, no..."
So you can predict the future, can you?
Post by badgolferman
"So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and
Android users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level
of security."
"If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send encrypted
messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their iPhone..."
Hank Rogers
2024-04-03 22:54:04 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.

Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their customers.

Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault. He
hates apple.
Your Name
2024-04-04 00:26:29 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple
could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to Android users
while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which would instantly
improve the privacy and security of iPhone and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.
Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their
customers.
Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault.
He hates apple.
The glacial pace that government departments work at, it's far more
likely Trump the Chump's fault and yet another reason for every sane
American to bin the lunatic at their next election. :-p
Hank Rogers
2024-04-04 00:58:06 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end
encryption is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
This is critical because it's the issue the DOJ highlighted in its
lawsuit: "Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less
private... Text messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are
unencrypted as a result of Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple
could allow iPhone users to send encrypted messages to Android users
while still using iMessage on their iPhone, which would instantly
improve the privacy and security of iPhone and other smartphone users."
Yet more proof that the US DOJ has no clue what they're talking about.  :-\
A. Apple doesn't even use RCS ... yet! It is rumoured to be coming in
  later this year ("in the fall" if you believe a Google post)
B. Apple messages are end-to-end encrypted, at least between Apple
  devices using Apple's messaging app (for other apps it is up to
  "Your iMessage and FaceTime conversations are encrypted end-to-end,
   so they can't be read while they're sent between devices."
Doj is picking on Poor apple.
Apple is just a small, old fashioned country telephone maker. They have
never deliberately committed crimes or fraud, or screwed their customers.
Sure, they've made mistakes, but all honest. This is all biden's fault.
He hates apple.
The glacial pace that government departments work at, it's far more likely
Trump the Chump's fault and yet another reason for every sane American to
bin the lunatic at their next election.   :-p
Poor apple is just being picked on by the law. So is trump. They are much
alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever. Neither has ever committed
a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.

Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.

Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Java Jive
2024-04-04 01:45:02 UTC
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Post by Hank Rogers
So is trump. They are
much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever. Neither has ever
committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most
civilised people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
someone. Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
cases, in most of which his guilt seems to be beyond doubt, in that the
known facts or even his own statements prove his guilt, and potentially
he only has to be found guilty on *one* of those 91 charges to end up in
jail. Indeed, if he carries on threatening judges' families the way
that he now done *twice* already, most likely he will be adjudged to
have breached the terms of his bail, and go to jail to await trial
anyway. The only thing actually in doubt is whether the lumbering US
legal system can complete a case and thereby convict him before the
election, but the first trial starts this month, so probably they will,
despite his barrage of absurd claims of Presidential immunity, which, as
an appeal judge pointed out, would, if taken literally as claimed,
enable him to send the Seals to wipe out political opponents.
Post by Hank Rogers
Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.
I'm not going to comment on Apple, but the whole point of the Trump
fines is that it's shit he *DID* do, as determined by independent juries
in two courts of law.
Post by Hank Rogers
Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
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Sn!pe
2024-04-04 01:51:34 UTC
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Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
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Alan
2024-04-04 16:10:00 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
Why?
The Real Bev
2024-04-04 16:44:39 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden. Period. You vote against the greater evil.
Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
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to see who's got the better imaginary friend." -- Rich Jeni
Alan
2024-04-04 19:16:11 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.

What did Biden do that actually hurt you?

Was it the falling unemployment?

The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
The Real Bev
2024-04-04 22:59:40 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
--
Cheers, Bev
"I read about this syndrome called hypochondria in a
magazine. I think I've got it." -- DA
Sn!pe
2024-04-04 23:10:57 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
**every one else** wants him safely in jail where he can't cause
any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard
both candidates to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
There Is No Every One Else, ~obviously.~ Furrfu, TYOT.
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Post by The Real Bev
This Is Not End Of Everything? Best I could come up with.
[...]
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My pet rock Gordon just is.
Alan
2024-04-05 05:02:25 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business.  Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing.  In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
I notice how you shifted the comparison to North Korea suddenly.

And Trump was doing Putin's BIDDING, sunshine.

Putin meets with Trump.

Trump requests information on CIA assets around the world.

CIA assets start dying.

Do the math.
Chris
2024-04-07 08:09:22 UTC
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Post by The Real Bev
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
WTF does TINEOE stand for?
Post by Alan
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
 Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
As long as our President was genuinely unpredictable Putin minded his
own business. Having a loose cannon on your side is frequently a good
thing. In a pissing contest between our loose cannon and N. Korea's
loose cannon, guess who backs down.
International diplomacy is not a playground pissing contest.

Trump is inept and a laughing stock around the world. He brought america
down to his gutter standard.

His only interest is himself. The first time he ran was to make money - and
he did hundreds of millions (including from your taxes) - and this time
it's to keep himself out of jail. He doesn't care about you or anyone else
in the US.
Anonymous
2024-04-10 03:14:35 UTC
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Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Alan
2024-04-10 14:47:48 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.

Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Anonymous
2024-04-11 03:28:25 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
Alan
2024-04-11 03:47:11 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater
evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?

Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
Anonymous
2024-04-12 02:55:34 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Alan
2024-04-12 03:17:35 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.

But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures
are fake.

All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...

...which it is doing:

<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>

<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
Anonymous
2024-04-13 06:27:26 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the greater evil.
  Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely compromised
by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.
But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
Which will take years, if at all.
Post by Alan
<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
Which is not enough:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/
Alan
2024-04-13 15:53:01 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange
Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
Out of date.
Post by Anonymous
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Out of date.
But moreover, this in no way supports the idea that the US GDP figures are fake.
All it shows is that the US needs to ramp up its production...
Which will take years, if at all.
Which is already happening.
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
<https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/landwarfareintl/us-army-is-close-to-producing-80000-155mm-shells-per-month/>
<https://www.army.mil/article/273152/us_army_and_industry_partners_mobilize_to_boost_us_artillery_production>
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/politics/russia-artillery-shell-production-us-europe-ukraine/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-its-production-artillery-shells-has-soared-by-nearly-150-year-2024-03-21/
And you believe what Russia says?
Alan
2024-04-12 03:36:50 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
And I forgot to ask:

Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Jolly Roger
2024-04-12 15:36:51 UTC
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Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
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Anonymous
2024-04-13 06:05:18 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
Alan
2024-04-13 15:53:31 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
Anonymous
2024-04-14 05:03:09 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
Alan
2024-04-14 06:34:09 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Anonymous
Post by Alan
Post by Sn!pe
Post by Java Jive
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he
was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?

For all you know, they have no more.

And where do you get your figures on how many "similar missiles" (does
that mean cruise missiles or just missiles?) Russia has used, doofus?
Russia again?
Anonymous
2024-04-15 02:49:50 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Alan
2024-04-15 04:22:11 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the
Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any
more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when
he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
Anonymous
2024-04-16 05:10:48 UTC
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Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju,
every one
else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
While I'm impartial towards US politics as I regard both
candidates
to be unspeakable, TINEOE.
This Is Not End Of Everything?  Best I could come up with.
Why?
Trump is better than Biden.  Period.  You vote against the
greater evil.   Besides, did Trump actually hurt you when he was in?
Trump is a lying, cheating, defrauding conman who is severely
compromised by Putin.
What did Biden do that actually hurt you?
Was it the falling unemployment?
The GPD growth.. ...the record stock market... ...what?
United States GDP is fake and gay.
Yes.
Every fact presented with which you disagree is fake.
Why is Russia able to produce enough missiles and shells, and the United
States can't? That's a tell right there.
And where do you get these supposed "facts"?
Where do you get that the US can't produce enough missiles OR shells?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/08/19/artillery-ammunition-ukraine-pentagon/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/03/08/us-weapons-manufacturing-ukraine/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/18/politics/ukraine-critical-ammo-shortage-us-nato-grapple/index.html
Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/
Alan
2024-04-16 18:37:31 UTC
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Where do you get your supposed "facts" about how many missiles and
shells Russia can produce?
Straight from Mother Russia, of course.
The approximate number of cruise missiles Russia has expended in the
Ukraine is known from observations.
But not the number that they've manufactured, doofus.
The United States produces some 150 Tomahawk cruise missiles a year.
Russia has expended somewhere around 5,000 similar missiles as of a
year ago. Russia hasn't run out.
What does that prove, doofus?
That Russia can outproduce the United States in weaponry at the very
least.
Simply wrong, doofus.
The industrial base of the United States has been hollowed out, and we
aren't producing more because we CAN'T. Stop being a retard.
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2024/02/06/supplier-bottlenecks-threaten-us-navy-effort-to-grow-arms-stockpiles/
You still haven't provided a single source that supports your contention
that Russia's manufacturing ability for weapons is any better than the US's.
Your Name
2024-04-04 02:19:34 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
Ever. Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
cases, wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most
civilised people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing
someone. Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate
cases, in most of which his guilt seems to be beyond doubt, in that the
known facts or even his own statements prove his guilt, and potentially
he only has to be found guilty on *one* of those 91 charges to end up
in jail. Indeed, if he carries on threatening judges' families the way
that he now done *twice* already, most likely he will be adjudged to
have breached the terms of his bail, and go to jail to await trial
anyway. The only thing actually in doubt is whether the lumbering US
legal system can complete a case and thereby convict him before the
election, but the first trial starts this month, so probably they will,
despite his barrage of absurd claims of Presidential immunity, which,
as an appeal judge pointed out, would, if taken literally as claimed,
enable him to send the Seals to wipe out political opponents.
Both are forced to pay billion dollar fines for shit they didn't do.
I'm not going to comment on Apple, but the whole point of the Trump
fines is that it's shit he *DID* do, as determined by independent
juries in two courts of law.
Every true american feels sorry for both apple and trump. And most are
willing to give them money to help bail them out.
Only the MAGA cult disciples feel 'sorry' for the Orange Juju, every
one else wants him safely in jail where he can't cause any more harm.
Another difference is that most of New York doesn't want Trump the
Chump in their city. :-)
Anonymous
2024-04-04 04:49:08 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong. Ever.
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business partner.
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist - in most civilised
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.

All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Alan
2024-04-04 16:11:02 UTC
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So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything wrong.
Ever.
Post by Java Jive
Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or business
partner.
Post by Java Jive
That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil cases,
wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  -  in most
civilised
Post by Java Jive
people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
A jury of his peers ruled.
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Post by Java Jive
Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
All politically-motivated persecutions.
Nope. Motivated by his actions.
Post by Hank Rogers
All that proves is that he should have crossed the Rubicon after the
massive election theft of 2020 and started having lots of Democrats
put up against the wall and shot.
Listen to yourself.
Alan
2024-04-02 16:00:19 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
"Apple is willing to make the iPhone less secure and less private... Text
messages sent from iPhones to Android phones are unencrypted as a result of
Apple's conduct. If Apple wanted to, Apple could allow iPhone users to send
encrypted messages to Android users while still using iMessage on their
iPhone, which would instantly improve the privacy and security of iPhone
and other smartphone users."
Apple is unwilling to use Google's PROPRIETARY encryption, dimwit.

Apple has explicitly stated that they'll work with the mobile phone
group that created RCS to build encryption into it.
Arno Welzel
2024-04-05 09:42:20 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Post by Tamborino
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
But this is not the fault of RCS.
--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
Alan
2024-04-05 18:11:48 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Incorrect.

RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.

The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.
Post by Arno Welzel
Post by Tamborino
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
But this is not the fault of RCS.
It is actually.

Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?
Arno Welzel
2024-04-12 16:26:02 UTC
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Post by Arno Welzel
Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Incorrect.
RCS as implemented by Google has end-to-end encryption.
The RCS standard does not have encryption as a part of it.
Yes, you're right. I stand corrected.

[...]
Post by Alan
Apple is not prepared to adopt Google's encryption, and given that
Google can't be trust with your privacy (Google Chrome sweeping up
information while in incognito mode, anyone?), can you blame Apple?
What is the difference? Messages get send anyway, just not encrypted
during transmission. But where is the security issue here?

It's more likely that Apple just does not want to implement stuff which
is not an official standard.
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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de
Jörg Lorenz
2024-04-19 21:02:48 UTC
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Post by Tamborino
This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
RCS *is* end-to-end encrypted. But this is not mandatory, so using
unencrypted connections is possible. But the Google messaging app in
Android will show you if the recipient has RCS and also if the
connection is encrypted.
Post by Tamborino
Yet, for conversations between Google Messages users, end-to-end encryption
is now enabled on your Android phone by default.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2024/03/30/new-apple-iphone-16-pro-max-and-ios-18-leak-googles-imessage-warning/
So unlike iMessaging between iPhone users or Google Messaging between
Android users, or more importantly WhatsApping between iPhone and Android
users, RCS between iPhone and Android will not have that level of security.
But this is not the fault of RCS.
Sure. It is Google's fault.
Secure communication is not possible with RCS and Apple does not want to
adopt such an inferior level of security for iOS to iOS-communication.
With RCS a MIM-attack is always possible. The NSA is already smiling ...

RCS is dead and more than redundant.
--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)
Jörg Lorenz
2024-04-13 16:44:29 UTC
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This is the common misunderstanding with both RCS in general and Apple's
update in particular. RCS is not end-to-end encrypted.
Arlen again.Troll.

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