Disable Desktop switch animation?

Is there a way to do that? My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-07 06:29:45 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
Is there a way to do that? My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

AFAIK, there's no API to disable the animation.

If it's really an issue, don't use the system that way. Logout when
you're done like on Linux.

Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

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Calum

2016-10-07 12:23:53 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
If it's really an issue, don't use the system that way. Logout when
you're done like on Linux.

What does logging out have to do with anything? The OP is asking about
switching desktops, not users.

In Sierra, you can turn off the animation by checking the "Reduce
Motion" box in the Accessibility settings, Display tab.

If you don't mind a third-party app, Total Spaces has an option to turn
off the animation:
<http://totalspaces.binaryage.com>

Otherwise, I think the best you can do is use the three-finger gesture
to swipe between desktops -- if you do that, the animation speed follows
the swipe speed, so if you need it to go slower, swipe slower. That's
obviously a bit of a productivity-killer, though.

MalcolmO

2016-10-07 13:37:44 UTC

Post by Calum
What does logging out have to do with anything? The OP is asking about
switching desktops, not users.

Thank you.

Yeah, he's on El Cap and so doesn't have those Sierra features. That
"follow the swipe speed" 'feature' is pretty ridiculous. I mean, what's
the rationale?

He also figured he shouldn't have to buy a utility to disable a single
animation. And I agree with him. He's comparing OSX unfavourably with
his Chromebook, for God's sake. Apple, you can't let things like that
happen!

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-07 16:26:56 UTC

Post by Calum
What does logging out have to do with anything? The OP is asking about
switching desktops, not users.

Thank you.
Yeah, he's on El Cap and so doesn't have those Sierra features. That
"follow the swipe speed" 'feature' is pretty ridiculous. I mean, what's
the rationale?

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Your son is in the minority
here. Most people don't let something as trivial as a transition animation
rule their user experience. ; )

Post by MalcolmO
He also figured he shouldn't have to buy a utility to disable a single
animation. And I agree with him. He's comparing OSX unfavourably with
his Chromebook, for God's sake. Apple, you can't let things like that
happen!

Not even Apple can fix stupid.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 13:36:07 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Your son is in the minority
here.

So are persons with disabilities but that doesn't invalidate their
issues/concerns.

Post by Jolly Roger
Most people don't let something as trivial as a transition animation
rule their user experience.

Yes, most people _aren't_ in the minority. But I was surprised to read
just how many people there are in that minority who experience
sea-sickness because of motion in their visual field.

Post by Jolly Roger
Not even Apple can fix stupid.

Stupid doesn't even enter into it. They _do_ have Reduce Motion for a
reason.

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Happy.Hobo

2016-10-07 19:34:07 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
He also figured he shouldn't have to buy a utility to disable a single
animation.

He's right. But what is the value of the time spent complaining about
something that can be "fixed" by closing your eyes for half a second?

MalcolmO

2016-10-08 13:39:02 UTC

what is the value of the time spent complaining about something that can
be "fixed" by closing your eyes for half a second?

We won't know until Microsoft sues, claiming they have a patent on that
remedy. :)

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Alan Browne

2016-10-08 14:23:52 UTC

what is the value of the time spent complaining about something that can
be "fixed" by closing your eyes for half a second?

We won't know until Microsoft sues, claiming they have a patent on that
remedy. :)

That's why I have a mask over my camera so that MS can't see me doing
just that.

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Neill Massello

2016-10-08 21:53:53 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
We won't know until Microsoft sues, claiming they have a patent on that
remedy. :)

I have tried for decades to disable user napping, but it never sticks.
Maybe I need a firmware update.

Alan Browne

2016-10-08 21:58:26 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
We won't know until Microsoft sues, claiming they have a patent on that
remedy. :)

I have tried for decades to disable user napping, but it never sticks.
Maybe I need a firmware update.

They say a 15-20 minute kip in the afternoon does wonders for ones
health. I've never developed the ability. The rare times I nap in the
afternoon it goes about 2-3 hours and then I'm disoriented for the rest
of the day.

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Your Name

2016-10-08 23:23:02 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
We won't know until Microsoft sues, claiming they have a patent on that
remedy. :)

I have tried for decades to disable user napping, but it never sticks.
Maybe I need a firmware update.

It requires a combination of hardware and software, and a "User
Hardware Upgrade" to solve that. You have a USB cable that plugs into
the computer at one end and into the user's new "Brain Socket"* at the
other. The software than sends through a power spike through the USB
port every five minutes to make sure the user is still awake. ;-)

* Patent and trademark pending.

Neill Massello

2016-10-09 05:00:47 UTC

Post by Your Name
It requires a combination of hardware and software, and a "User
Hardware Upgrade" to solve that. You have a USB cable that plugs into
the computer at one end and into the user's new "Brain Socket"* at the
other. The software than sends through a power spike through the USB
port every five minutes to make sure the user is still awake. ;-)

There's no hope, then. My brain dates from the punch card era.

Your Name

2016-10-09 06:16:06 UTC

Post by Your Name
It requires a combination of hardware and software, and a "User
Hardware Upgrade" to solve that. You have a USB cable that plugs into
the computer at one end and into the user's new "Brain Socket"* at the
other. The software then sends a power spike through the USB port every
five minutes to make sure the user is still awake. ;-)

There's no hope, then. My brain dates from the punch card era.

That's why you need the "User Hardware Upgrade" to add a USB port ...
or, you could just get the "Punch Card <-> USB Adapter". ;-)

Alan Browne

2016-10-09 15:20:29 UTC

There's no hope, then. My brain dates from the punch card era.

You wallowed in the luxury of punch cards?

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Lewis

2016-10-07 22:06:29 UTC

Post by Calum

Post by Michael Vilain
If it's really an issue, don't use the system that way. Logout when
you're done like on Linux.

Yep. I don't get motion sickness from switching spaces, but I still like
that setting. Switching seems faster (not sure it is, but it seems
faster).

Post by Calum
If you don't mind a third-party app, Total Spaces has an option to turn
<http://totalspaces.binaryage.com>

Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Post by Calum
Otherwise, I think the best you can do is use the three-finger gesture
to swipe between desktops -- if you do that, the animation speed follows
the swipe speed, so if you need it to go slower, swipe slower. That's
obviously a bit of a productivity-killer, though.

Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

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multiverse, which has far too many dimensions for anyone to find their
way. So new ones have to be invented so that the way can be found. Like:
East of the Sun, West of the Moon Or: Behind the North Wind. Or: At the
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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 13:45:34 UTC

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

Post by Lewis
Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

I suggested that and he said that that is also animated. Plus it takes
more time. Again, he's already become accustomed to instant,
non-animated transitions as with his Chromebook or Linux.

I like the animations of macOS myself; I was surprised to discover that
some people's neurology makes it unacceptable. My son says his
development sessions can't go more than about an hour.

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Alan Browne

2016-10-08 14:29:00 UTC

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

System Integrity Protection. Apple made a wise decision that Unix'
underpinnings had some fundamental weaknesses with root access and
decided to shore them up hard in effect distancing "root" from total
control of the system.

I don't know if TS does require disabling SIP (too lazy too look into
it), but disabling SIP for the small benefit of TS is not a good idea (IMO).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

Post by Lewis
Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

I suggested that and he said that that is also animated. Plus it takes
more time. Again, he's already become accustomed to instant,
non-animated transitions as with his Chromebook or Linux.
I like the animations of macOS myself; I was surprised to discover that
some people's neurology makes it unacceptable. My son says his
development sessions can't go more than about an hour.

I'd be just as happy if such animations were eliminated (optionally or
otherwise).

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-08 15:47:51 UTC

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

System Integrity Protection. Apple made a wise decision that Unix'
underpinnings had some fundamental weaknesses with root access and
decided to shore them up hard in effect distancing "root" from total
control of the system.
I don't know if TS does require disabling SIP (too lazy too look into
it), but disabling SIP for the small benefit of TS is not a good idea (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
and then re-enable SIP after.

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Alan Browne

2016-10-08 16:51:00 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

System Integrity Protection. Apple made a wise decision that Unix'
underpinnings had some fundamental weaknesses with root access and
decided to shore them up hard in effect distancing "root" from total
control of the system.
I don't know if TS does require disabling SIP (too lazy too look into
it), but disabling SIP for the small benefit of TS is not a good idea (IMO).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
and then re-enable SIP after.

Could be. Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
and then run SIP enabled?

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-08 18:45:02 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
and then re-enable SIP after.

Could be. Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
and then run SIP enabled?

Yep. Many only need SIP to be disabled long enough to install into
protected locations, but run fine if SIP is re-enabled afterwards. The
tuntap macOS package <http://tuntaposx.sourceforge.net> is the most recent
one I've used that fits the description. It runs fine with SIP enabled, but
installation requires you to first disable SIP.

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Alan Browne

2016-10-08 19:16:34 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Jolly Roger
It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
and then re-enable SIP after.

Could be. Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
and then run SIP enabled?

Got it. Makes sense as long as one is confident in what one is
installing with SIP off. tuntap fits that, at least.

Not even sure if I have tuntap installed at present. I seem to recall
needing it for a VPN at some point. Latest version of that client seems
to be more self contained.

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-08 21:00:15 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger

Post by Jolly Roger
It may be that you can disable SIP just long enough to get TF installed,
and then re-enable SIP after.

Could be. Are there other apps that can be installed with SIP disabled
and then run SIP enabled?

Got it. Makes sense as long as one is confident in what one is
installing with SIP off. tuntap fits that, at least.
Not even sure if I have tuntap installed at present. I seem to recall
needing it for a VPN at some point. Latest version of that client seems
to be more self contained.

I'm using it to run a network interface for Basilisk II that can be
reached from the internet (the built-in slirp interface can't reach the
net) so I can run an image of Zippy in emulation on a Mac mini Server:

<http://zippy.kicks-ass.org:9997>

Zippy's currently taking a much-needed rest in a padded box after I
replaced his cooling fan. : )

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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 23:55:26 UTC

distancing "root" from total control

OK, that doesn't seem like a bad idea. I'll look into it a little more.
Thanks for that info.

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-08 15:39:39 UTC

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

Post by Lewis
Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

I suggested that and he said that that is also animated. Plus it takes
more time. Again, he's already become accustomed to instant,
non-animated transitions as with his Chromebook or Linux.
I like the animations of macOS myself; I was surprised to discover that
some people's neurology makes it unacceptable. My son says his
development sessions can't go more than about an hour.

This case goes beyond the "Mac vs. PC" conversation that's been in this
thread thus far. Since your son's nervous system can't deal with the
animations and you can't customize the interface to turn them off, then
don't use a Mac.

He's seriously restricted by his neurology, then he shouldn't be using a
system that interferes with it. The Mac or even a Window box isn't
trying to be all things to all people. If you can't make it work for
you and customize it, then don't use it.

Run Ubuntu. Seriously. (or whatever Linux flavor works for him on a
laptop that will run it). And yes, he gives up all the Mac-centric
stuff. But if it's making him sick and he can't deal with it, then
don't use a computer that makes you sick.

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Lewis

2016-10-08 20:43:20 UTC

Post by Lewis
Total Spaces requires disabling SIP.

Which is what and results in what?

Post by Lewis
Disable the animations and use Mission control... works great!

I suggested that and he said that that is also animated.

No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
to the new screen. No animation at all.

Post by MalcolmO
Plus it takes more time.

No. It may be faster, and it certainly feels faster, but it is not
slower.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 00:17:55 UTC

Post by Lewis
No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
to the new screen. No animation at all.

It's animated on my Lion. It's animated on his El Capitan. Ergo, I
suspect you've altered yours.

Post by Lewis
but it is not
slower.

Of course it is! When you've done whatever you've done to get the
Mission Control screen, you should've gotten the next workspace instead.

For some reason, on mine I _have to_ use MC to get to Desktop 2.
Ctrl-right doesn't work; but Ctrl-left does. <shrug> Ctrl-1 and Ctrl-2
give error sounds. Ctrl-2 changes the selected file in Finder. :P

My Lubuntu netbook works EXACTLY like he wants.

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-09 01:35:38 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
For some reason, on mine I _have to_ use MC to get to Desktop 2.
Ctrl-right doesn't work; but Ctrl-left does. <shrug> Ctrl-1 and Ctrl-2
give error sounds. Ctrl-2 changes the selected file in Finder. :P

Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
Move left a space & move right a space settings.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 13:14:19 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
Move left a space & move right a space settings.

I did. That's how I knew what keys to use, the Ctrl-<arrow> keys. Now
the wild thing is that I DL'd TinkerTool, told it to eliminate the
animation and chose No Delay. Logged out and back in and *now Ctrl-left
and Ctrl-right both work!* But the Spaces still slide. :(

And for some reason, I can't 3- or 4-finger swipe to other Spaces like
other people say they can. I don't know how they get that because it's
not in the Trackpad Prefs.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 18:06:09 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
Check your System Preferences > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Mission Control >
Move left a space & move right a space settings.

I did. That's how I knew what keys to use, the Ctrl-<arrow> keys. Now
the wild thing is that I DL'd TinkerTool, told it to eliminate the
animation and chose No Delay. Logged out and back in and *now Ctrl-left
and Ctrl-right both work!* But the Spaces still slide. :(
And for some reason, I can't 3- or 4-finger swipe to other Spaces like
other people say they can. I don't know how they get that because it's
not in the Trackpad Prefs.

How old is your machine? Really really old? Old trackpads didn't support
multi-touch. But that would be like 2006 or older?

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MalcolmO

2016-10-11 03:59:50 UTC

Post by Lewis
How old is your machine? Really really old?

Mid 2007 Mini running Lion. But my Trackpad is only a couple years old
and does Multi-Touch.

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nospam

2016-10-11 04:22:34 UTC

Post by Lewis
How old is your machine? Really really old?

Mid 2007 Mini running Lion. But my Trackpad is only a couple years old
and does Multi-Touch.

a 2007 mini is really old, so old that it cannot go beyond lion.

MalcolmO

2016-10-13 20:17:53 UTC

Post by nospam
a 2007 mini is really old, so old that it cannot go beyond lion.

That is correct, sir. The early 2009 will run Sierra but I don't expect
it to make the cut next time.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 06:42:26 UTC

Post by Lewis
No it's not. I use it every day on my laptop. It does a very fast fade
to the new screen. No animation at all.

It's animated on my Lion. It's animated on his El Capitan. Ergo, I
suspect you've altered yours.

I am talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
Accessibility is disabled which is how my Laptop is configured.

Post by MalcolmO
Of course it is! When you've done whatever you've done to get the
Mission Control screen, you should've gotten the next workspace instead.

Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 13:20:07 UTC

Post by Lewis
talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
Accessibility is disabled

OK, I don't have that setting (or Accessibility, for that matter. For me
it's Universal Access).

Post by Lewis
Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

No, unintentionally; because the speed of the transition is as
irrelevant as its colour.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 18:00:40 UTC

Post by Lewis
talking about the screen switching when the animation setting in
Accessibility is disabled

OK, I don't have that setting (or Accessibility, for that matter. For me
it's Universal Access).

Post by Lewis
Are you intentionally misunderstanding? The speed *of the transition*.

No, unintentionally; because the speed of the transition is as
irrelevant as its colour.

Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
extremely important. But regardless, the transition *feels* faster and
there's no animation, so I suspect no motion sickness either.

In earlier versions of the OS, there were defaults that could be changed
via the command line.

defaults write com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration -float 0.15

Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
control-left to go left one space.

If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility, then upgrade it
to Sierra.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-11 04:05:28 UTC

Post by Lewis
Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
extremely important.

Well, the sufferer didn't complain about the *speed* of the slide; he
complained about its *existence*.

Post by Lewis
Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
control-left to go left one space.

Yes. Odd and interesting that.

Post by Lewis
If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility

They all understand the defaults command. He probably has Reduce Motion
in Accessibility but it may not do the slide.

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Lewis

2016-10-11 05:28:01 UTC

Post by Lewis
Not when motion sickness is an issue, the speed of the transition is
extremely important.

Well, the sufferer didn't complain about the *speed* of the slide; he
complained about its *existence*.

Yes, but the faster the slide the less noticeable it is.

Post by Lewis
Also, using ^1 to go to space one is about twice as fast as using
control-left to go left one space.

Yes. Odd and interesting that.

Post by Lewis
If the computer in question doesn't understand the defaults command and
doesn't have a reduce motion setting in Accessibility

They all understand the defaults command. He probably has Reduce Motion
in Accessibility but it may not do the slide.

No, they do not all understand the defaults command. In some versions of
OS X, including Lion I believe, the defaults command to disable the
animation does not do anything at all.

But in Sierra, the setting to reduce motion removes the animation.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-13 20:22:41 UTC

Post by Lewis
No, they do not all understand the defaults command. In some versions of
OS X, including Lion I believe, the defaults command to disable the
animation does not do anything at all.

'Understanding' the defaults command and the availability of options to
it are different matters. Though not mentioned above, the availability
_is_ actually the crucial concern for the issue at hand.

Post by Lewis
But in Sierra, the setting to reduce motion removes the animation.

Thank you for that confirmation; I'll pass it along to him.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-13 20:24:20 UTC

Post by Lewis
We are born naked, wet and hungry

That's how she likes me best. ;)

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-08 02:57:38 UTC

Post by Calum

Post by Michael Vilain
If it's really an issue, don't use the system that way. Logout when
you're done like on Linux.

What does logging out have to do with anything? The OP is asking about
switching desktops, not users.
In Sierra, you can turn off the animation by checking the "Reduce
Motion" box in the Accessibility settings, Display tab.
If you don't mind a third-party app, Total Spaces has an option to turn
<http://totalspaces.binaryage.com>
Otherwise, I think the best you can do is use the three-finger gesture
to swipe between desktops -- if you do that, the animation speed follows
the swipe speed, so if you need it to go slower, swipe slower. That's
obviously a bit of a productivity-killer, though.

The "switch desktops" feature I equated to "the cube-line switch to
another user's desktop when they login". I don't change my desktop
dynamically or randomly because I use 6 different desktops and cycle
through them with Total Spaces. The desktop pic tells me which one I'm
on. It's worth every penny.

You can control the style of animation when you switch to a specific
desktop using control-[1234] keys. That's in the System Preferences >
Mission Control Preferences panel, along with the number of screens you
pre-define.

Total Spaces also has an animation-style selector.

But the cube switch for switching to another user's desktop can't be
disabled AFAIK. So don't have two people logged in at the same time.

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Lewis

2016-10-08 11:39:40 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
You can control the style of animation when you switch to a specific
desktop using control-[1234] keys. That's in the System Preferences >
Mission Control Preferences panel,

I see no such setting.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 13:51:46 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
I use 6 different desktops and cycle
through them with Total Spaces. ... It's worth every penny.

Yeah, I thought it looked pretty spiffy. I don't tend to use more than
the one, myself. I _have_ used more than one in the past but it's never
become a habit with me, except on Linux where I run Kodi on its own
desktop because it jumbles up the UI. At least it doesn't disable the
switch; I can switch to the other desktop to have the standard UI.

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Davoud

2016-10-07 14:41:24 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

Post by Michael Vilain
Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

Great solution. Just give up all of the professional productivity
appsAdobe, Apple, Microsoftthat you've been using to 30 years and
switch to running server software and have fun with ASCII art. No
thanks.

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Alan Browne

2016-10-07 15:38:27 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

Post by Michael Vilain
Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

Great solution. Just give up all of the professional productivity
apps‹Adobe, Apple, Microsoft‹that you've been using to 30 years and
switch to running server software and have fun with ASCII art. No
thanks.

Linux and apps are far beyond simplistic. The real problem is that the
mainline productivity apps are not available on Linux (MS suite, Adobe
suites, etc.) The substitutes are adequate for some but add a layer of
complexity when working with others who are not Linux fans.

In the end, Linux is a great OS, with some basic (and aging) security
flaws and a horrible desktop landscape not suitable for mass use. Why,
despite a very competitive price, it's share of the desktop market is
eroding away.

In other areas, it is king and appropriately so.

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Davoud

2016-10-07 21:26:44 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

Post by Michael Vilain
Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

Linux and apps are far beyond simplistic. The real problem is that the
mainline productivity apps are not available on Linux (MS suite, Adobe
suites, etc.) The substitutes are adequate for some but add a layer of
complexity when working with others who are not Linux fans.
In the end, Linux is a great OS, with some basic (and aging) security
flaws and a horrible desktop landscape not suitable for mass use. Why,
despite a very competitive price, it's share of the desktop market is
eroding away.
In other areas, it is king and appropriately so.

Exactly what I meant. If I decide to get out of the graphics business
and my wife decides to give up writing and criticism and we decide to
open a server farm, we'll definitely look at some Linux boxes. Until
then, we're very happy with Mac OS.

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Alan Browne

2016-10-08 14:15:49 UTC

Post by Davoud
Great solution. Just give up all of the professional productivity
apps‹Adobe, Apple, Microsoft‹that you've been using to 30 years and
switch to running server software and have fun with ASCII art. No
thanks.

Linux and apps are far beyond simplistic. The real problem is that the
mainline productivity apps are not available on Linux (MS suite, Adobe
suites, etc.) The substitutes are adequate for some but add a layer of
complexity when working with others who are not Linux fans.
In the end, Linux is a great OS, with some basic (and aging) security
flaws and a horrible desktop landscape not suitable for mass use. Why,
despite a very competitive price, it's share of the desktop market is
eroding away.
In other areas, it is king and appropriately so.

I sensed that in general - it was your ASCII art statement that I found
to be somewhat ridiculous.

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Davoud

2016-10-09 01:08:41 UTC

Post by Davoud
Exactly what I meant. If I decide to get out of the graphics business
and my wife decides to give up writing and criticism and we decide to
open a server farm, we'll definitely look at some Linux boxes. Until
then, we're very happy with Mac OS.

I sensed that in general - it was your ASCII art statement that I found
to be somewhat ridiculous.

It's called "hyperbole." Still, can you name a single piece of
professional graphics or music software available for Linux/Unix? There
is video rendering software for use after the movie has come out of
post production on Mac or Windows and needs a large and cheap parallel
array, but that's the extent of it.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 14:08:44 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

Great solution. Just give up all of the professional productivity
apps

In fact, my son is a CS grad and was wall-to-wall Windows (and
self-built) and had zero interest in Macintoshes. It was only when he
decided to get into software development that the developer community
convinced him that Mac was the only way to go. When he got his MBP in
Sept. he messaged me: Got a Mac. Never thought I'd see the day!

He _does_ really like it as a dev enviro; he's just bumped by unwanted
motion. I just hope that issue can be overcome and he can stop hankering
for the view in ChromeOS. :P

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-08 15:46:55 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
Or just run Ubuntu on the machine.

Great solution. Just give up all of the professional productivity
apps

In fact, my son is a CS grad and was wall-to-wall Windows (and
self-built) and had zero interest in Macintoshes. It was only when he
decided to get into software development that the developer community
convinced him that Mac was the only way to go. When he got his MBP in
Sept. he messaged me: Got a Mac. Never thought I'd see the day!
He _does_ really like it as a dev enviro; he's just bumped by unwanted
motion. I just hope that issue can be overcome and he can stop hankering
for the view in ChromeOS. :P

We had someone in our office (it's all Mac laptops) who refused to use a
Mac. So they go him a Windows box. By the time I got there, it was idle
and gathering dust, so he overcame whatever objection he had to
development on the machine.

There's nothing wrong with using a platform that suits *you*. The fact
that you can't disable the animations any more means he can't really use
a Mac. Sell it on Craigslist and get a laptop that can run Ubuntu or
Fedora. And hire someone else to do that artsy fartsy stuff with
Photoshop that you can't really do on Linux with Gimp. There's no shame
in that.

If the tools he needs to do his job make him sick, he needs to find
tools that don't do that. Mac isn't the tool. Find one that works.

Screen switching on Gnome/KDE etc may also bother him. But he'll be able
to dive into the code and turn that off, recompile it for his needs, and
get an environment that works for him.

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Happy.Hobo

2016-10-08 19:17:38 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
If the tools he needs to do his job make him sick, he needs to find
tools that don't do that. Mac isn't the tool. Find one that works.

Again, isn't it a heck of a lot easier to learn to close your eyes
before clicking that particular feature?

I was a developer for over thirty years. Most of that time, multiple
spaces were available, but I rarely found them useful.

Michael Vilain

2016-10-08 21:12:03 UTC

Post by Happy.Hobo

Post by Michael Vilain
If the tools he needs to do his job make him sick, he needs to find
tools that don't do that. Mac isn't the tool. Find one that works.

Again, isn't it a heck of a lot easier to learn to close your eyes
before clicking that particular feature?
I was a developer for over thirty years. Most of that time, multiple
spaces were available, but I rarely found them useful.

OK, this thread isn't really about you and your programming habits. Just
because you don't use something or find it useful, why should someone
else suffer. You might as well ban same-sex marriage and abortion.

See? Such arguments get silly after a while. Let the kid figure out
how he works best and leave him (and me) alone. I'm not telling you
that *you* have to use spaces or emacs or vi or program a project in
Cobol (if you have, then show some dignity and don't mention it).

I learned from an ex-boss that effective managers let people figure out
how they work best and let them do it that way (unless it seriously
impacts productivity or security).

Back off Hobo.

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Happy.Hobo

2016-10-08 23:40:52 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
See? Such arguments get silly after a while. Let the kid figure out
how he works best and leave him (and me) alone. I'm not telling you

Bitterly complaining about a minor detail of something you can't live
without, yet angry at people who live without it and angry at
super-simple ways to avoid the problem.

Hmmm.

MalcolmO

2016-10-08 14:12:10 UTC

Post by Davoud
Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

No, no, it's a legitimate neurological anomaly, as I discovered while
researching this issue. My initial reaction was like yours, in that I
figured it was something that he could get used to in short order. Turns
out that's not the case for a certain segment of people.

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-08 15:39:19 UTC

Post by Davoud
Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

I'd send Apple (perhaps Tim Cook directly) a well-mannered, thoughtful
letter describing your son's condition, his aspirations of doing software
development on Apple kit, the problems the animations cause him, and
requesting help with it.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 00:27:18 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
requesting help with it.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's already happened, considering that it's
alleged to be selectable in Sierra.

Will follow up with him about that at 2 holiday dinners, tomorrow and
Monday. (Tomorrow is Thanksgiving in Canada.)

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Alan Browne

2016-10-09 15:19:06 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
requesting help with it.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's already happened, considering that it's
alleged to be selectable in Sierra.
Will follow up with him about that at 2 holiday dinners, tomorrow and
Monday. (Tomorrow is Thanksgiving in Canada.)

Actually it's tomorrow.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-11 04:06:44 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Actually it's tomorrow.

Yes, it was actually just my Thanksgiving dinner that was on Sunday. My bad.

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Davoud

2016-10-09 01:14:18 UTC

Post by Davoud
Get him some Dramamine. Tell him to look away during the switch. Tell
him to man up.

OK, then scratch my frivolous remarks above and get him off the Mac and
onto Windows.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 13:27:46 UTC

Post by Davoud
get him off the Mac and
onto Windows.

As I said elsewhere in the thread, he's *ALWAYS* been wall-to-wall
Windows. He's also an honours CS grad who had to create his own OS to
get his degree. When he gets a new phone he edits the source code and
recompiles and reinstalls. He's not an unsophisticated user by any
means. His main machine is still a Win7 tower attached to his TV. He
coughed up the big bucks for a new MBP to be his development
environment. He just has the one issue with the Spaces animation.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 18:08:08 UTC

Post by Davoud
get him off the Mac and
onto Windows.

Step 1 Make sure machine is on latest OS (macOS Sierra)
Step 2 Make sure "reduce motion" is enabled in the Accessibility
preferences.
Step 3 There is no step 3.

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2016-10-07 14:33:28 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
Is there a way to do that? My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

I think you mean "see" sick? ;-)

Does he really switch so often that it's an issue?

No way to control that alas. Not one to use Spaces much myself - maybe
the solution is to work in one space? Perhaps add a second monitor and
put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

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MalcolmO

2016-10-08 22:59:32 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
I think you mean "see" sick? ;-)

Good one, Alan!

Post by Alan Browne
maybe the solution is to work in one space?

I'll see what he says to that.

Post by Alan Browne
Perhaps add a second monitor and put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

He's on a MBP and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with
multi-monitors on a notebook.

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Lewis

2016-10-08 23:14:49 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
I think you mean "see" sick? ;-)

Good one, Alan!

Post by Alan Browne
maybe the solution is to work in one space?

I'll see what he says to that.

Post by Alan Browne
Perhaps add a second monitor and put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

He's on a MBP and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with
multi-monitors on a notebook.

All the damn time.

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-08 23:38:06 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
Perhaps add a second monitor and put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

He's on a MBP and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with
multi-monitors on a notebook.

It's quite common in the tech world. I've had three connected to a
MacBook Pro at work. All you need is a monitor with a cable that will
connect to the particular display-compatible port your computer has.
Thunderbolt, Display Port, or HDMI would work on recent model MacBook
Pros.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 00:51:33 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
It's quite common in the tech world.

Hunh. I recently saw a web developer that had 8 or so monitors (and a
rising/lowering desk) but he has a big old tower. Now I remember that I
_have_ seen a notebook with 2 monitors. My daughter had an extended
outboard on her white MB. There have been a couple times I've had
mirrored display between a notebook and a TV but just to view videos really.

I don't think he has a monitor. His Win7 box lives on his TV.

Never used multiple monitors myself, just multiple computers.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 06:44:50 UTC

Post by Jolly Roger
It's quite common in the tech world.

I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Post by MalcolmO
Never used multiple monitors myself, just multiple computers.

Multiple monitors are transformative.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 13:49:39 UTC

Post by Lewis
I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Simultaneously?

Post by Lewis
Multiple monitors are transformative.

I'll have to take your word for it until I have a machine with more than
one video port. ;)

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nospam

2016-10-09 16:09:43 UTC

Post by Lewis
I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Simultaneously?

how else?

Post by Lewis
Multiple monitors are transformative.

I'll have to take your word for it until I have a machine with more than
one video port. ;)

what machine do you have? apple hasn't made a mac with only one video
port in a long time.

MalcolmO

2016-10-11 04:14:30 UTC

Post by nospam
what machine do you have?

Mid 2007 Mini.

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Lewis

2016-10-09 18:01:43 UTC

Post by Lewis
I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Simultaneously?

Yes, of course.

Post by Lewis
Multiple monitors are transformative.

I'll have to take your word for it until I have a machine with more than
one video port. ;)

How old is your machine? It's been a long time since Apple made a
machine that only supported a single external monitor.

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-09 23:37:44 UTC

Post by Lewis
I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Simultaneously?

Post by Lewis
Multiple monitors are transformative.

I'll have to take your word for it until I have a machine with more than
one video port. ;)

HDMI can handle more than 1 monitor. They make HTML "hubs". Each
monitor will tell the Mac or PC "I'm here and my monitor # is X".

At my last gig, I had 2 monitors on my desk plus the Lenovo Laptop. And
1 HDMI connection.

Again, just because you haven't seen it or experienced it, doesn't mean
it doesn't exist or others haven't. I'm beginning to think this post is
troll bait.

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Your Name

2016-10-10 01:35:04 UTC

Post by Lewis
I've used my MBP with two external monitors.

Simultaneously?

Post by Lewis
Multiple monitors are transformative.

I'll have to take your word for it until I have a machine with more than
one video port. ;)

HDMI can handle more than 1 monitor. They make HTML "hubs".

<snip>

"HTML 'hubs'"?!?!
Aren't those normally called "web servers" or "web browsers"? ;-)

Alan Browne

2016-10-08 23:42:59 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
I think you mean "see" sick? ;-)

Good one, Alan!

Post by Alan Browne
maybe the solution is to work in one space?

I'll see what he says to that.

Post by Alan Browne
Perhaps add a second monitor and put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

He's on a MBP and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with
multi-monitors on a notebook.

Er, used to do so, but have a larger monitor now so a single.

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Michael Vilain

2016-10-09 06:17:48 UTC

Post by Alan Browne
I think you mean "see" sick? ;-)

Good one, Alan!

Post by Alan Browne
maybe the solution is to work in one space?

I'll see what he says to that.

Post by Alan Browne
Perhaps add a second monitor and put a Space on the 2nd monitor?

He's on a MBP and I don't think I've ever seen anyone with
multi-monitors on a notebook.

I do multiple monitors and a docking station at work every day. Just
because you've never seen it doesn't mean other people don't work that
way.

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MalcolmO

2016-10-09 13:55:43 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
Just
because you've never seen it doesn't mean other people don't work that
way.

That's what I love about Usenet. When you make a statement (doesn't
matter what it is) people rush forward to tell you you're wrong. Even if
it's only your own experience.

I didn't say other people don't work that way, just that I haven't seen
it (before I remembered having seen it once) and I implied that my son
is unlikely to add a monitor to a *portable* device.

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nospam

2016-10-09 16:09:44 UTC

Post by Michael Vilain
Just
because you've never seen it doesn't mean other people don't work that
way.

That's what I love about Usenet. When you make a statement (doesn't
matter what it is) people rush forward to tell you you're wrong. Even if
it's only your own experience.

your experience is very limited.

Post by MalcolmO
I didn't say other people don't work that way, just that I haven't seen
it (before I remembered having seen it once) and I implied that my son
is unlikely to add a monitor to a *portable* device.

doesn't he use a desk?

plug the laptop into a second display while at the desk and then unplug
when traveling.

MalcolmO

2016-10-11 04:20:29 UTC

Post by nospam
your experience is very limited.

If you say so, O All-Knowing One. <kneeling and bowing>

Post by nospam
doesn't he use a desk?

I haven't seen him do that so he must, says someone else on this thread.

Post by nospam
plug the laptop into a second display while at the desk and then unplug
when traveling.

Sarcastic reply refrained from.

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Jolly Roger

2016-10-07 16:26:57 UTC

Post by MalcolmO
Is there a way to do that? My son says it makes him sea-sick. Can one
switch instantly, without motion/animation?

It looks like Apple removed the option to disable it. But you might try
this instead:

<http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/190863/how-do-you-completely-disable-the-space-switching-animations-in-os-x-yosemite#241773>

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Lewis

2016-10-07 22:03:05 UTC