USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

Post by Ant
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/usb-hubs-printers-java-and-more-seemingly-broken-by-macos-14-4-update/ :(

I dunno, mine are all fine...

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Jolly Roger

2024-03-20 04:41:33 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?

Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.

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OrangeFish

2024-03-20 22:07:27 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links to
Apple and reddit). For example, there is a long thread on this problem
at Apple: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255518397 . One person
claims that a fix from Apple is coming in 14.4.1.

Jolly Roger

2024-03-20 23:40:37 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.

BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

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David Brooks

2024-03-21 12:14:48 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

Can you explain why the gurus on the Apple Support Communities forums
are absolutely adamant that there is no requirement for anti-malware
software on an Apple computer?

Kurt Lang
Kurt Lang
User level: Level 9
57,666 points
Aug 2, 2023 4:14 PM in response to eugene.davidson
The System folder of the OS (where all of these are located) is
completely and cryptographically locked down. There is no way for anyone
to compromise anything installed by the OS. And that includes everything
in the Applications and Utilities folders installed with the OS.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255038944?sortBy=newest_first&page=1

BUT .....

On the other hand, the poster there called 'etresoft' SUPPORTS the use
of the software available here:-

www.clamxav.com

Please advise.

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Joerg Lorenz

2024-03-21 15:06:09 UTC

Post by David Brooks

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

Can you explain why the gurus on the Apple Support Communities forums
are absolutely adamant that there is no requirement for anti-malware
software on an Apple computer?

You are totally OT. And now: *PLONK*

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Chris

2024-03-21 19:18:25 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
after the release candidate:
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Jörg Lorenz

2024-03-21 20:48:21 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

If someone in the private domain thinks he or she needs java, fine. It
can look a bit different in a corporate environment.

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Chris

2024-03-22 08:06:46 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
for java issues.

Did you even read the link? Apple made a very late (and undocumented?)
change.

Post by JÃ¶rg Lorenz
If someone in the private domain thinks he or she needs java, fine. It
can look a bit different in a corporate environment.

Joerg Lorenz

2024-03-22 12:31:09 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
for java issues.

I did not say anything else. Learn to read and understand. Oracle is
irrelevant for Mac-users.

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Alan B

2024-03-25 19:40:44 UTC

Post by Joerg Lorenz

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks literally
makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit).

I didn't claim there is no issue - just that media has an incentive to
sensationalize it. Even Ars Technica wants more clicks, because it
literally pays their bills. And it's a well-known fact that news about
Apple gets clicks, and negative news about Apple gets the most clicks.
BTW, the OP, Ant, posted about this with a frowny face - but I can
virtually guarantee you he isn't having these problems on his own Macs.

TBF Oracle themselves are advising against updating to 14.4. There's a
detailed explanation here, apparently there was quite a significant change
https://blogs.oracle.com/java/post/java-on-macos-14-4

Oracle is not really a relevant source for a decision to avoid or
execute Mac-updates. They should try to get their act together.

Eh, what? Oracle own Java. They're the most relevant source of information
for java issues.

I did not say anything else. Learn to read and understand. Oracle is
irrelevant for Mac-users.

Fixed in today’s 14.4.1 release.

<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/25/apple-releases-macos-sonoma-14-4-1/>

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Alan Browne

2024-03-21 23:57:09 UTC

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every sensational
clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider that the people
who post these articles have a monetary interest in making relatively
small issues appear to be larger and more wide spread than they actually
are - because getting more clicks literally makes them more money.

Adding to JR's comment: announcements from AT or other sources are
amplification. If there are 2 or 3 reports of an issue, they report it
and 10's of thousands (or millions) of people read it. That doesn't
make for 10's of thousands (or millions) of affected users.

I've yet to see AT or the other similar sites (all of whom do add value
to our pursuit of computer happiness) put out article headlines like:

Mac OS 14.x has been out for 96 hours and not a single
issue has been reported.

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Jolly Roger

2024-03-22 02:24:42 UTC

Post by Alan Browne

All of our USB hubs, printers, and more are working just fine with
multiple different model Macs running 14.4. What are we doing wrong?
Rather than being a gullible rube who blindly believes every
sensational clickbait hit piece you read, you may want to consider
that the people who post these articles have a monetary interest in
making relatively small issues appear to be larger and more wide
spread than they actually are - because getting more clicks
literally makes them more money.

Ars Technica is fairly respectable. The author of the article states
that his machine was not affected but others are affected (with links
to Apple and reddit). For example, there is a long thread on this
problem at Apple: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255518397 .
One person claims that a fix from Apple is coming in 14.4.1.

But gullible rubs mistake it as a widespread issue, and resident trolls
latch onto it nonetheless.

Post by Alan Browne
I've yet to see AT or the other similar sites (all of whom do add
value to our pursuit of computer happiness) put out article headlines
Mac OS 14.x has been out for 96 hours and not a single issue
has been reported.

Negative Apple news gets the most clicks.

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Jörg Lorenz

2024-03-20 06:19:05 UTC

Post by Ant
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/03/usb-hubs-printers-java-and-more-seemingly-broken-by-macos-14-4-update/ :(

Everything works perfectly here on 2 Silicons and one Intel T-2.
Was that a near miss? ;-)

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Jörg Lorenz

2024-03-20 06:25:49 UTC