hp cd-writer 8200 series

[Wes Groleau]

Is Toast or Toast Lite the only way to use these with OS X ?

HP's web site says that there's the 8200e series,
in which there are two models, the 8220e and 8230e

And the 8200 series which has five or six models.

But these puppies say 8200 on the front,
and on the bottom they say 8220e/8230e

iTunes says it can't find a burner.

They worked on a Linux box....

Would be nice to find a no cost way to get them working.

[Mike Rosenberg]

Post by Wes Groleau
Would be nice to find a no cost way to get them working.

PatchBurn allows you to use many otherwise unsupported burners with OS X
10.2 and higher:

http://www.patchburn.de/index.html

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Mike Rosenberg
PatchBurn allows you to use many otherwise unsupported burners with OS X

Thanks. I'm downloading now to check it out.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Wes Groleau

Post by Mike Rosenberg
PatchBurn allows you to use many otherwise unsupported burners with OS X

Thanks. I'm downloading now to check it out.

Nope. It cannot detect that ANY devices are connected
to my iMac w/ 10.3.5

I am pretty sure they worked on Linux for the guy
that gave them to me. And when I turn on the power,
the iMac makes the same disk noises it makes when
I plug in or turn on any other USB device.

But PatchBurn does not know they're there, even after a reboot.

Are these devices supposed to be writers only? Each has
a headphone jack and volume control on the front, but neither
makes a sound in the headphones. I put an audio CD in, and
then put it in upside down. The machine can tell the difference:
the green light stays on when it's right-side up. But the
(tested & working) headphones remain silent.

When I put in a blank CD-R, the green light blinks a couple of
times then starts blinking red. There's another LED that never
comes on.

Where does HP hide their documentation?

Where does patchburn hide its documentation?

[Mike Rosenberg]

Post by Wes Groleau
Nope. It cannot detect that ANY devices are connected
to my iMac w/ 10.3.5
I am pretty sure they worked on Linux for the guy
that gave them to me. And when I turn on the power,
the iMac makes the same disk noises it makes when
I plug in or turn on any other USB device.
But PatchBurn does not know they're there, even after a reboot.

Oh, so it's a _USB_ burner! I believe PatchBurn is only for FireWire
burners.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Mike Rosenberg
Oh, so it's a _USB_ burner! I believe PatchBurn is only for FireWire
burners.

Ah, well that may be. Its doc says nothing about
such a restriction. In fact, "If you are using an
external DVD-writer via Firewire" implies that you
may be using one without firewire. But one should
be careful about reading to much into the writing
of a non-native speaker.

:-)

I got an e-mail from the author asking me to
send him the logfile. Which (reading too deep again?)
makes me think either he expects that model to be
supported or he's never heard of that model.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Wes Groleau

Post by Mike Rosenberg
Oh, so it's a _USB_ burner! I believe PatchBurn is only for FireWire
burners.

Ah, well that may be. Its doc says nothing about
such a restriction. In fact, "If you are using an

From the author (first line by me)

Post by Wes Groleau

Post by Mike Rosenberg
Somebody told me it only works with Firewire. If that's the case,

This is definitely NOT the case! PatchBurn works with any writer
as long as it appears in the Apple System Profiler. Unfortunately
yours does not. I suggest your writer is connected via USB port.
There are some issues with older USB writers. Some of them need
a low level driver to appear in the System Profiler. PatchBurn
can not provide those drivers, they must be developed by the
manufacturer of the USB enclosure.

And HP apparently does not. So I have two paperweights.
Oh, well, I got them almost as cheap as paperweights. :-)

Unless somebody knows another source for such a driver ?

[Neill Massello]

Post by Wes Groleau
Are these devices supposed to be writers only? Each has
a headphone jack and volume control on the front, but neither
makes a sound in the headphones. I put an audio CD in, and
the green light stays on when it's right-side up. But the
(tested & working) headphones remain silent.

For several years, Macs and their operating systems have read audio CDs
essentially as data disks, making no use of the DA converters built in
to optical drives.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Neill Massello
For several years, Macs and their operating systems have read audio CDs
essentially as data disks, making no use of the DA converters built in
to optical drives.

The drive has a headphone jack on its front but
no audio comes out of it. What the Mac does with
the USB end is irrelevant with that detail.

[Neill Massello]

Post by Wes Groleau
The drive has a headphone jack on its front but
no audio comes out of it. What the Mac does with
the USB end is irrelevant with that detail.

But the way the Mac handles the drive is relevant. CD-ROM drives can
operate in data or audio modes. When you play a CD in iTunes, the Mac
does not instruct the CD drive to act as an audio player -- that is,
play the CD at 1X speed, convert the digital audio stream to an analog
signal, and send that signal to the drive's analog output ports.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Neill Massello

Post by Wes Groleau
The drive has a headphone jack on its front but
no audio comes out of it. What the Mac does with
the USB end is irrelevant with that detail.

But the way the Mac handles the drive is relevant. CD-ROM drives can
operate in data or audio modes. When you play a CD in iTunes, the Mac
does not instruct the CD drive to act as an audio player -- that is,
play the CD at 1X speed, convert the digital audio stream to an analog
signal, and send that signal to the drive's analog output ports.

The Mac doesn't handle the drive--it doesn't know it's there
(except at the lowest level, it knows there's "something" on
the USB). And iTunes was not open. The drive itself starts
spinning/reading when a CD is inserted, whether or not the
USB is connected. At least I assume the green LED means reading.

And if the red LED means writing or erasing, when a writable CD
is inserted, it reads for a while, then changes to red.

[Neill Massello]

Post by Wes Groleau
And iTunes was not open. The drive itself starts
spinning/reading when a CD is inserted, whether or not the
USB is connected. At least I assume the green LED means reading.

So you expect the drive to start playing an audio CD automatically on
insertion? I know of no CD drives that do this, although Plextor's
drives used to have buttons on the front panel for playing audio CDs.

[Wes Groleau]

Post by Neill Massello
So you expect the drive to start playing an audio CD automatically on
insertion? I know of no CD drives that do this, although Plextor's
drives used to have buttons on the front panel for playing audio CDs.

I don't "expect" anything. But when the drive is "reading" the CD
for longer than it takes to know it's a CD, and I know the Mac isn't
talking to it, I just figured it was doing the same thing as the drives
on most of the Wintel boxes I've used, i.e., playing the CD.